CHEMICAL SPILL FROM DUPONT DELISLE PLANT?

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  • #2008

    cutypie
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    Hello, I am new to the Diamondhead community, moved in on the South Side one month before Hurricane Katrina hit and destroyed my house. I was planning on rebuilding, but I’m reconsidering because I’ve recently become aware of the Dupont Delisle Plant near my home. After the hurricane, I’ve noticed odd odors, strange sludge and extremely corroded metal on my property. It wasn’t like that before the hurricane. Neighbors near me said that the sludge, foul odor, and corrosion is unusual for the area and they said it hadn’t been like that before the hurricane also. I accepted it as hurricane related at first, although I’ve lived around salt water all of my life and had never seen or smelled anything like that before. After some photos of the plant flooded during the hurricane were posted by LA-MS in the below thread, I have concerns that chemicals have leaked from the Dupont Delisle Plant. There may have been some notice or something that was sent out, but I don’t remember even hearing anything about the plant at all. In fact, I just found out the other day that it was there, so maybe I just wasn’t paying attention to the notice or something. I don’t know what they do over there and I’m not sounding the alarm because I don’t know anything about the plant, or even if they have chemicals there. I know that Dupont is a chemical company though. In the photos there are what looks like train cars on their side and what appears to be large tanks turned over, but I’m not certain? The property was very flooded and if there were chemicals in those huge pits they have there, they certainly got out. I can’t imagine that they would let someone keep chemicals in an open air pit though, so I’m really more interested in what was in the tanks and rail cars. If anybody has any information or a website where I can find out more information about the plant and what they do there I would greatly appreciate it. Thank You.

    http://www.diamondheadnews.com/forum/thread-view.asp?threadid=140&MessageID=713#713

    #2007

    wayne king
    Participant

    It is very hard to get the straight story on Dupont polution contribution to the local area. There are trial lawyers for miles trying to vampire into the jugler of Duponts cash flow. They issue stories containing aggsadurated if not completely unfounded claims of polution. My reccomendation would be to contact Gov. agencies as to polution contribution and avoid local “I know what they are not telling” stories. Something I do know based upon my own observations is that metal corroding when inunduated with salt water is very rapid and amazing in its complete distruction of the original material, the smount of iorn in the metal seems to have an effect on the rapidity with which the metal corrodes. Seems to happen faster when exposed to the air after being submerged or in contact with the salt water. Any flood whether it is a tidal surge or overflowing river deposits a generous amount of organic material on the surface, when it recedies these materials will begin to decay and the resulting decay releases oderious gases which you smell, they smell bad but I am not aware of any health perils, its just a normal cycle in relation to living things returning to their orgins. Hope it helps, make your own decisions based upon the balance of the risks you are willing to take and the benifits you will receive.

    #2014

    cutypie
    Member

    Mr. King, Thank you for your reply. Sounds like some politics may be involved here. I have searched online and there seems to be much information available. After I read more, I will come back and comment. Hopefully somebody else will reply with their take on the situation. You’re right about organic decay, it does stink… I hope that’s all it is, but I’m still concerned. Thanks again.

    #2017

    LA-MS
    Member

    Please observe Katrina impact images that are now surfacing on internet websites. Example

    http://killdelisle.8k.com/photo.html

    The pictures appear to tell a different story than does the MDEQ DuPont press release:

    http://www.deq.state.ms.us/newweb/MDEQPres.nsf/28ce80ddea27fe0886256b28006d8a70/37a7455eb9a76a778625708900729506?OpenDocument

    View the images; you are the judge.

    Why is there no mention of the pictured failed protection levees/berms and the inundated and damaged Iron Chloride Hazardous Waste management system?

    http://www.state.nj.us/health/eoh/rtkweb/1034.pdf

    http://www.deq.state.ms.us/MDEQ.nsf/pdf/SW_RCRAPermitAttachmentC/$File/Permit%20Attach.%20C.pdf?OpenElement

    The public has the mission to hold Bureaucrats accountable and assure the compliance of Agency Mission Statements.

    MDEQ Mission Statement:

    The mission of the Mississippi Department of Environmental Quality is to safeguard the health, safety, and welfare of present and future generations of Mississippians by conserving and improving our environment and fostering wise economic growth through focused research and responsible regulation.

    The Katrina Diaster response activity can cause negative impact; lasting longer than Katrinas impact.

    #2018

    wayne king
    Participant

    Like I said, Trial Lawyers are lined up for miles.

    #2019

    wayne king
    Participant

    Like I said, Trial Lawyers are lined up for miles. misnomers, exagerations, ect will be the rule of the day I’m sure.

    #2022

    wayne king
    Participant

    Forgot to ask, who is LA-MS???? Is it a Gov. agency, Accredited lab, a news agency, law firm, political action commite, or just a “Sky is Falling” interested party? I’m sure their information was outleted some where but is it taken out of contex, does it reflect the full story in which it was included, how old is it, does it reflect the opinions of many or just 1 source? Never can tell what is relevant or tailored to look relevant, one must investigate throughly in many sources. Do not take one opinion for granted this is a tactic of trial lawyers to confuse issues and turn public opinion to their view point. To win is the goal, honesty and truthfulness tends to become a “place or show” in these topics.

    #2025

    LA-MS
    Member

    Mr. King
    I am a lifelong resident of SE Louisiana and the MS Gulfcoast who has always demaned mutual respect for others. (Humans ,Critters and plants). “DON’T WANT TO KNOW” attitudes will not help anyone learn truth. It is a right and many folks use a “screen names”. I have no desire to share my person information with anyone on the internet. Mr. King, the internet extends far beyond Diamondhead, Mississippi. Maybe you should run your name on a search engine and learn what the world already knows about you. Should you desire to have me contact you, please mention it post and find your contact information on the internet.
    As for your opinion me; I could care less.
    Cordially
    LA-MS

    #2040

    cutypie
    Member

    Wow, I don’t understand the controversy here? What is all this talk of trial lawyers about? Can we keep this discussion to the facts please. I’m not trying to litigate anything here. I would like some information from others living in the area about chemical spills during Hurricane Katrina in the vicinity of Diamondhead. If you do not have any useful information to post, please start a thread where you can complain about trial lawyers, scandal and anonymous people. I don’t care what screen name you have either. If you have information relating to CHEMICAL SPILLS IN THE VICINITY OF DIAMONDHEAD, please feel free to express your information or experience here without judgment from me. Thank you for your constructive input.

    #2041

    patti
    Member

    THE PLANT USES TIATIUM CHORIDE .THIS IS USED IN ALL THINGS THAT ARE WHITE IN COLOR

    #2042

    LA-MS
    Member

    Patti,
    THIS IS USED IN ALL THINGS THAT ARE WHITE IN COLOR
    Titanium Dioxide is manufactured the DuPont Chemical in Delisle, Mississippi
    Titanium dioxide pigment (TiO2) is a white powder with high opacity, brilliant whiteness, excellent covering power and resistance to colour change. These properties have made it a valuable pigment and opacifier for a broad range of applications in paints, plastic goods, inks and paper.
    http://www.titanium.dupont.com/
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titanium_dioxide
    http://www.osha.gov/SLTC/healthguidelines/titaniumdioxide/index.html
    http://www.ilpi.com/msds/osha/I19971119.html

    The manufacturing process is similar as described in this Millennium Chemical article( It is understood that Delisle uses the Chlorine process):
    http://www.millenniumchem.com/Products+and+Services/Products+by+Type/Titanium+Dioxide+-+Paint+and+Coatings/r_TiO2+Fundamentals/Titanium+Dioxide+Manufacturing+Processes_EN.htm
    The Chloride Process
    The feedstock for the chloride process is a mineral rutile or synthetic beneficiates containing over 90 percent TiO2. A suitable ore blend is mixed with a source of carbon and the two are reacted in a fluidized bed with chlorine at approximately 900C. The reaction yields titanium tetrachloride, TiCl4, and the chlorides of all the impurities present. The reaction is exothermic, and accurate temperature control is essential.
    The mixed chlorides are cooled and the low-volatile chloride impurities (e.g. iron, manganese and chromium) are separated by condensation and removed from the gas stream with any un-reacted solid starting materials.
    The TiCl4 vapor is condensed to a liquid, followed by fractional distillation to produce an extremely pure, colorless, mobile liquid TiCl4 intermediate product, freezing at -24C and boiling at 136C. Much of the success of the chloride process lies in this stable intermediate which can be purified, tested, stored, reprocessed as necessary; and handled as a liquid or vapor. Being a vapor-phase distillation process, potentially discoloring trace contaminants can be virtually eliminated, with subsequent benefits to pigment color.
    The second critical stage in the chloride process is oxidation of the TiCl4 to TiO2 pigment particles. Pure titanium tetrachloride is reacted with oxygen in an exothermic reaction to form titanium dioxide and liberate chlorine, which is recycled to the chlorination stage. The high temperature ensures that only the rutile crystal form is produced. After cooling, the gas stream passes through a separator to collect the pigment particles, and treated to remove adsorbed chlorine from the pigment. Because the reactor controls the efficiency of the conversion of the TiCl4 to TiO2 and the particle-size mean and distribution, its design is critical to efficient, high-quality pigment production.

    The Delisle Plant also produces, stores, manages, disposes and uses products that are considered hazardous/toxic/Radioactive materials.
    Various dangerous toxic/hazardous materials has been reported and/or alleged to have been released from DuPont Delislse since its start up.

    TITANIUM TETRACHLORIDE
    What is titanium tetrachloride? http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/tfacts101.pdf
    Titanium tetrachloride is a colorless to pale yellow liquid that has fumes with a strong odor. If it comes in contact with water, it rapidly forms hydrochloric acid, as well as titanium compounds. Titanium tetrachloride is not found naturally in the environment and is made from minerals that contain titanium. It is used to make titanium metal and other titanium-containing compounds, such as titanium dioxide, which is used as a white pigment in paints and other products and to produce other Chemicals.

    CHLORINE: http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/tfacts172.html
    Chlorine gas is irritating and corrosive to the respiratory tract, eyes, and skin. The effects depend on how much you are exposed to and for how long. Exposure to low concentrations of chlorine gas (1 to 10 ppm) may cause sore throat, coughing, and eye and skin irritation. Exposure to higher levels could cause burning of the eyes and skin, rapid breathing, narrowing of the bronchi, wheezing, blue coloring of the skin, accumulation of fluid in the lungs, and pain in the lung region. Exposure to even higher levels can produce severe eye and skin burns, lung collapse, and death.

    DIOXIN TCDD: http://www.dioxinfacts.org/
    http://www.scorecard.org/chemical-profiles/summary.tcl?edf_substance_id=1746-01-6
    http://www.ourstolenfuture.org/NewScience/oncompounds/dioxin/2004/2004-1020walkeretal.htm

    IRON CHLORIDE: http://hazmap.nlm.nih.gov/cgi-bin/hazmap_generic?tbl=TblAgents&id=1406
    http://www.state.nj.us/health/eoh/rtkweb/1034.pdf

    TOXIC METALS
    Cadmium, arsenic, chromium, lead and other heavy metals: http://www.lenntech.com/heavy-metals.htm

    HYDROCHLORIC ACID: http://www.scorecard.org/chemical-profiles/summary.tcl?edf_substance_id=7647-01-0

    The ores that are used to product this product are imported from a places in the world that has formation of the mineral ilmenite. Ilmenite is mined in Australia, Brazil, Russia, Canada, Sri Lanka, Norway, China, South Africa, Thailand, India, Malaysia, Sierra Leone and the United States.
    RADIOACTIVITY- DuPont maintains a large NORM* disposal storage areas with the waste management areas in Delisle. *Naturally Occurring Radioactive Materials

    Radiation In common with many minerals, Ilmenite Sand contains very low levels of naturally occurring radioactive elements of the uranium and thorium series. The main radiological hazard from the product is internal exposure to small amounts of alpha particles given off by inhaled dust. Low level gamma radiation from bulk or bagged stockpiles of Ilmenite Sand may present a lesser, external hazard.
    http://www.galleries.com/minerals/oxides/ilmenite/ilmenite.htm

    http://wwwpub.iaea.org/MTCD/publications/PDF/Pub1175_web/Book/Pub1175_web.pdf

    #2043

    LA-MS
    Member

    Patti,
    THIS IS USED IN ALL THINGS THAT ARE WHITE IN COLOR
    Titanium Dioxide is manufactured the DuPont Chemical in Delisle, Mississippi
    Titanium dioxide pigment (TiO2) is a white powder with high opacity, brilliant whiteness, excellent covering power and resistance to colour change. These properties have made it a valuable pigment and opacifier for a broad range of applications in paints, plastic goods, inks and paper.
    http://www.titanium.dupont.com/
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titanium_dioxide
    http://www.osha.gov/SLTC/healthguidelines/titaniumdioxide/index.html
    http://www.ilpi.com/msds/osha/I19971119.html

    The manufacturing process is similar as described in this Millennium Chemical article( It is understood that Delisle uses the Chlorine process):
    http://www.millenniumchem.com/Products+and+Services/Products+by+Type/Titanium+Dioxide+-+Paint+and+Coatings/r_TiO2+Fundamentals/Titanium+Dioxide+Manufacturing+Processes_EN.htm
    The Chloride Process
    The feedstock for the chloride process is a mineral rutile or synthetic beneficiates containing over 90 percent TiO2. A suitable ore blend is mixed with a source of carbon and the two are reacted in a fluidized bed with chlorine at approximately 900C. The reaction yields titanium tetrachloride, TiCl4, and the chlorides of all the impurities present. The reaction is exothermic, and accurate temperature control is essential.
    The mixed chlorides are cooled and the low-volatile chloride impurities (e.g. iron, manganese and chromium) are separated by condensation and removed from the gas stream with any un-reacted solid starting materials.
    The TiCl4 vapor is condensed to a liquid, followed by fractional distillation to produce an extremely pure, colorless, mobile liquid TiCl4 intermediate product, freezing at -24C and boiling at 136C. Much of the success of the chloride process lies in this stable intermediate which can be purified, tested, stored, reprocessed as necessary; and handled as a liquid or vapor. Being a vapor-phase distillation process, potentially discoloring trace contaminants can be virtually eliminated, with subsequent benefits to pigment color.
    The second critical stage in the chloride process is oxidation of the TiCl4 to TiO2 pigment particles. Pure titanium tetrachloride is reacted with oxygen in an exothermic reaction to form titanium dioxide and liberate chlorine, which is recycled to the chlorination stage. The high temperature ensures that only the rutile crystal form is produced. After cooling, the gas stream passes through a separator to collect the pigment particles, and treated to remove adsorbed chlorine from the pigment. Because the reactor controls the efficiency of the conversion of the TiCl4 to TiO2 and the particle-size mean and distribution, its design is critical to efficient, high-quality pigment production.

    The Delisle Plant also produces, stores, manages, disposes and uses products that are considered hazardous/toxic/Radioactive materials.
    Various dangerous toxic/hazardous materials has been reported and/or alleged to have been released from DuPont Delislse since its start up.

    TITANIUM TETRACHLORIDE
    What is titanium tetrachloride? http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/tfacts101.pdf
    Titanium tetrachloride is a colorless to pale yellow liquid that has fumes with a strong odor. If it comes in contact with water, it rapidly forms hydrochloric acid, as well as titanium compounds. Titanium tetrachloride is not found naturally in the environment and is made from minerals that contain titanium. It is used to make titanium metal and other titanium-containing compounds, such as titanium dioxide, which is used as a white pigment in paints and other products and to produce other Chemicals.

    CHLORINE: http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/tfacts172.html
    Chlorine gas is irritating and corrosive to the respiratory tract, eyes, and skin. The effects depend on how much you are exposed to and for how long. Exposure to low concentrations of chlorine gas (1 to 10 ppm) may cause sore throat, coughing, and eye and skin irritation. Exposure to higher levels could cause burning of the eyes and skin, rapid breathing, narrowing of the bronchi, wheezing, blue coloring of the skin, accumulation of fluid in the lungs, and pain in the lung region. Exposure to even higher levels can produce severe eye and skin burns, lung collapse, and death.

    DIOXIN TCDD: http://www.dioxinfacts.org/
    http://www.scorecard.org/chemical-profiles/summary.tcl?edf_substance_id=1746-01-6
    http://www.ourstolenfuture.org/NewScience/oncompounds/dioxin/2004/2004-1020walkeretal.htm

    IRON CHLORIDE: http://hazmap.nlm.nih.gov/cgi-bin/hazmap_generic?tbl=TblAgents&id=1406
    http://www.state.nj.us/health/eoh/rtkweb/1034.pdf

    TOXIC METALS
    Cadmium, arsenic, chromium, lead and other heavy metals: http://www.lenntech.com/heavy-metals.htm

    HYDROCHLORIC ACID: http://www.scorecard.org/chemical-profiles/summary.tcl?edf_substance_id=7647-01-0

    The ores that are used to product this product are imported from a places in the world that has formation of the mineral ilmenite. Ilmenite is mined in Australia, Brazil, Russia, Canada, Sri Lanka, Norway, China, South Africa, Thailand, India, Malaysia, Sierra Leone and the United States.
    RADIOACTIVITY- DuPont maintains a large NORM* disposal storage areas with the waste management areas in Delisle. *Naturally Occurring Radioactive Materials

    Radiation In common with many minerals, Ilmenite Sand contains very low levels of naturally occurring radioactive elements of the uranium and thorium series. The main radiological hazard from the product is internal exposure to small amounts of alpha particles given off by inhaled dust. Low level gamma radiation from bulk or bagged stockpiles of Ilmenite Sand may present a lesser, external hazard.
    http://www.galleries.com/minerals/oxides/ilmenite/ilmenite.htm

    http://wwwpub.iaea.org/MTCD/publications/PDF/Pub1175_web/Book/Pub1175_web.pdf

    #2044

    wayne king
    Participant

    Very good explanation, and if Dupont violates the regulations in their process of manufacturing this product I hope our government is there to take appropiate action.

    #2049

    boneil
    Member

    I dont normally get involved in these online discussions but to me this one just begs to be responded to because of some misleading information. A picture may be worth a thousand words but being on the ground when an event has occurred is worth a thousand pictures.

    I was one of the people that worked at DuPont immediately after the storm helping with the clean up. And before I go any further let me say that I was NOT a DuPont employee but rather a contractors employee (I was one of the people who handled the hazardous chemical rail cars and offloaded the chemicals on a daily basis) and I no longer work at the plant. I have since moved on to bigger and better things. But the relevant part is that I was there within 3 days of the storm helping with the clean up. The part of the plant that I was assigned to is the section that received the worst flooding.

    Without going into a very long story I will just say that I personally say every section of the plant on a daily basis before and after the storm and I can say without any hesitation that NOT A SINGLE LEVEE OR BERM FAILED! The main levee between DuPont and the bay was TOPPED by about 15 feet of water since it was only 15 to 20 feet high, this is true but it did not fail. The proof of this (not failing that is) is very simple the levee also serves as DuPonts rail spur for storing and transporting ore and chemicals for processing and we DID NOT have to bring in any fill to make it functional. We did however have to repair and replace almost all of the rails since they really took a beating in the storm.

    In your image that you referenced ( http://killdelisle.8k.com/photo.html ) is would appear that 4 of the holding ponds were inundated by the storm surge but this is a little misleading. While I cannot say without any error that none of the ponds were topped I can state with some certainty that the 2 ponds that hold the most hazardous materials (in the image they are the light and lighter green ponds in the middle left of the picture) were not even topped because of their elevation above sea level and because after the storm I personally witnessed the storm debris that STOPPED at least 5 feet BELOW the top of the ponds levee! Now this does not mean that wave action didnt top the levee but if it did it was modest and the level of the levee was still well below the actual capacity of the pond. In a word, whatever water was thrown over the levee was captured by the pond and NOT RELEASED.

    Now, the two holding ponds closest to the bay were actually topped and may have been flooded to the point that they overflowed thereby releasing their contents but what they actually held was not the iron chloride that another thread discusses but rather liquid that is slightly acidic but not to the point of actually being able to burn anyone or accelerate decomposition of metals that is also mentioned. These are the holding ponds that store processed water and other liquids before they are discharged in accordance with the EPA.

    The big and bad hazardous materials that are talked about are primarily contained in a series of concrete vaults that are 20+ feet above the top of the levee and were not topped AT ALL! All of the material that they contain were accounted for and NOT RELEASED INTO THE ENVIRONMENT!

    Additionally, other waste material that should be of concern were contained in the holding ponds that according to your referenced image were above the flood model and not affected by the storm except for taking on additional rain water. These ponds are in the upper left hand corner of the image.

    Again, I want to point out that I am not an employee at the DuPont plant and in fact I am not a fan of the plant since I too live in Diamondhead. I just want to make sure that the correct information is related to people. As far as the law suits against the plant are concerned I cannot say anything about their validity because I dont know all the issues and that is an entirely different forum anyway.

    Read it and believe it, I was there.

    #2050

    LA-MS
    Member

    Thank you for your report, I want to know the truth. Can you provide an understanding as to what is observed in this image?
    http://ngs.woc.noaa.gov/storms/katrina/24819924.jpg
    this image can be enlarged.
    Note that the road, levee/berm on large elevated Blackwater pond appears to have failed. Discharge trails are visible to the lowest evevations and appear to enter the storm drainage system; mustard colored trails can aslo be seem in that emptied blackwater pond that runs directly from the mustard colored pond. What materials were stored in the blackwater pond and the mustard colored ponds?

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