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  • #1848

    pegasus205
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    I have noticed that security does a lot of things that the sheriff’s department does, like stopping cars, going to alarms, accidents, domestic calls, etc. Since the sheriff’s deputies carry guns, what is the POA doing for the protection of the security officers? If they walk up on a scene where someone has a gun what do they do to defend themselves? How much is the POA willing to pay to the family if someone gets hurt because they have no way to protect themselves. And dont say the shefiff’s dept because they dont show up or it takes an hour for them to get here.

    #1847

    Eags753
    Member

    The reason thAT security personnel do not bear arms can be explained in one word….INSURANCE. If we required the security officers to carry firearms the insurance would be so high that we would have to re-bid the contract. The question is should we pay more to have them armed? Is the extra cost worth it? Don’t know the answer but the cost is a major consideration.

    #1850

    pegasus205
    Member

    Your right Im sure the insurance is high. But what will the cost be if one of them gets injured, or killed. If they cant carry firearms what about something else. Its plain to see that the POA wont back them if they try to protect themselves by filing charges against a resident that is harrasing them. What should they do for protection if they cant use the law? Im sure they dont make enough money to put up with the things they have to put up with from some of the residents. But the officers that are working here seem to know what they are doing. except for two I have met, who dont need to be doing this kind of work at all. And whose bright Idea was it to force security to put out signs for the real estate companies? That is not there job! Im sure They are capable of putting out there own signs. I think we need to take a good look at the new general manager and who he is doing favors for.

    #1853

    wayne king
    Participant

    Aren’t a lot of the POA officers and board members Realtors? Not too difficult. If they were fishermen mabey there would be help at the boat ramp. Possibly even clean the fish. One step leads to another you know.

    #1875

    Eags753
    Member

    I am open to discussion and suggestions reqarding arming the security officers however, what is best for members should be the main consideration in making this decision, not what is best for the security company. I agree we could be sued if an officer is injured as a result of not being able to defend himself but we can also be sued if the same officer injuries or, God forbid, kills a member or guest with the firearm. I find it interesting that local shopping center security personnel and casino security are not armed. I am not opposed to requiring ours to be armed I just think some serious dialog needs to be entered into before making such a decision.

    #1891

    pegasus205
    Member

    I totaly agree about the firearms but if properly trained there shouldn’t be a problem. But Im sure the insurance would be outragous. I do know for a fact that some of the supervisors and investigators in the casinos carry guns (Imperial Palace for one). What I really think is a shame is that a security officer had to quit because he was being threatend by a resident. He went and filed charges against him for being harrassed and threatened and the general manager wanted the charges dropped and the problem to go away. The compliance Committee also did nothing to the resident. The resident was found guilty for the same charge filed by another resident. How is security going to do their job when the residents know they can do whatever they want and get away with it and laugh at security because nothing is done. Security is a joke because of the POA and Compliance Committee.

    #1892

    Eags753
    Member

    You do not have your facts correct in this matter. When you say nothing was done by the compliance committee regarding this residences complaint you are apparently not aware that this complaint was of a criminal nature and was handled by Hancock Sheriffs Office. The compliance committee does not and cannot involve itself in criminal matters. Any inquiries should be forwarded to HCSO or 1st Justice Court. I am somewhat aware of this matter and I can you there is more to this dispute than meets the eye.

    #1893

    Anonymous

    HI I AM THE VICTEM. THE RESIDENT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT WAS FOUND GUILTY WITH THE SAME VHS TAPE THAT THE COMMETTEE SAW. AND DID NOTHING. AND NOW HE IS HARRASSING ME BEYOUND BELIEF. RIGHT AFTER HE WAS LET OFF HE FILED FALSE CHARGES AGAINST ME THE SAME CHARGES THAT I HAD FILED AGAINST HIM. HE TOLD ME IT WAS MY TURN TO GO TO JAIL, I ASKED HIM FOR WHAT HE SAID DON’T WORRY HE WOULD THINK OF SOMETHING. IF THE POA HAD DONE THE RIGHT THING IN MY OPINION WE WOULD NOT HAVE AN OVER CONFIDENT BULLY TO STILL DEAL WITH, JAIL, AND LAWYER’S FEES AS WELL. IF I HAD THE MEANS I WOULD MOVE OUT OF DIAMONDHEAD AND THAT IS A SHAME BECAUSE I HAVE THREE FAMILY MEMBERS THAT OWN HOMES HERE AND BEFORE THIS I FELT SAFE AND HAPPY BUT NOT ANY MORE.

    #1894

    Eags753
    Member

    With all due respect, you must understand that the compliance committee does not exsist to “rubber stamp” the actions of the security personnel. That is what one could correctly label a “kangaroo court”. The committee is not on anyones side. It was formed to give the residence of Diamondhead due process through a fair and unbaised hearing regarding the facts of the citation. I persume the security officer resigned because he or she was ruled against at one of the meetings. If that is the case then I would agree he chose the wrong job and should have resigned. One has to have a professional approach to his duties and not wine when things don’t go his way. Just think what would happen if the deputy sheriffs or police officers quit their jobs every time a court ruled against them. Same think, no? There are some real difficults that have to be overcome by our security personnel and overall I think they do a very good job. Most are competent, friendly and sincere in their duties. I just think we all need a better understanding of what is expected of them. In fairness the POA should provide a job description and mission statement to these officers so that we are all on the same page.

    #1895

    wayne king
    Participant

    I agree, any employee should know what the objectives(if any have been prescribed) of the POA are in respects to their position. The only way to do that is provide a period of both practical application and classroom indoctrination of a new employee so that they know exactly what is expected of them in the performance of their duties. If that is not being done then we need to look higher up in the management for incompetency.

    #1896

    Eags753
    Member

    At last… a level head. I agree and your comments are right on point. Hopefully someone in authority with the POA will read this and consider the suggestions you make.

    #1897

    pegasus205
    Member

    In reference to the security officer that resigned: The reason he left was not over the criminal matters. It involved the fact that the POA compliance board threw out citations written for violations of POA rules, these citations were written before the criminal matter came up. It wasn’t because he was ruled against, it was because his job was threatened by the GM because he wouldn’t drop the charges he filed for being harrassed and threatened on duty. Recently the officers have had there patrol cars blocked so they could not observe suspicous people by the same person. This person thinks the POA won’t do anything to him so he does what ever he wants. I don’t think being threatened by residents is in the job description. They shouldn’t have to put up with that abuse from the people they are helping. I think they do a great job considering restrictions from the POA. They also do things I dont feel they should do like putting out the signs for the real estate companys, how is that in their job description?

    #1904

    Eags753
    Member

    When you say “citations” were thrown out I think you mean a citation (one).
    That citation was issued for a residence who alledgedly operated a motor vehicle at night without lights. The residence denied the charge and the security officer admitted that he did not personally witness the violation. There was no one present at the meeting to refute the residences denial of the charge. That being the case the matter was dismissed. I think that was the proper finding and if the security guard does not agree with it then he does not have an understanding of fairness and due process and was wise to reconsider his position as a security officer. He apparently thought he was at war with the residence and preceive them a adversaries. He should not haven taken things so personally. Perhaps the POA should accept some responsibility for failing to insure that these officers are properly trained. The fact that an accused person is always considered innocent until proven guilty is basic law enforcement 101

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    #1906

    AL49
    Member

    Who ever posted this message does not know what they are talking about. Most calls for a Sheriff’s Deputy in Diamondhead are answered in less than 5 minutes. The Sheriff’s Department ALWAYS respond to a call when that call comes into the Sheriff’ Office and that number is 467-5101.

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